Just curious what people's opinions are. I say for an engagement the ring should stay with the person who was dumped. Wedding...I'm unsure.
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LilBabyWithTheSundressOn |
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Posts: 36595 (08/19/2008 12:00 PM) Friendliest JJBer '07 |
ring(s)? Does it depend on who ended the relationship or who paid for the rings? Does the guy automatically get the engagement ring back and if he does what
about the wedding bands?
Just curious what people's opinions are. I say for an engagement the ring should stay with the person who was dumped. Wedding...I'm unsure. |
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aznangelchick88 |
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Posts: 5961 (08/19/2008 12:00 PM) |
I'll give everything back. I don't need anything that doesn't belong to me when its over.
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JellyRoll2 |
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Posts: 13291 (08/19/2008 12:01 PM) |
I always heard it depended on who ended the engagement/marriage. If she left, he gets the rings back. If he did, she gets to keep them.
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Posts: 3144 (08/19/2008 12:01 PM) |
I would pawn the engagement ring so fast and give everything else back.
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OhManImScrewed |
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Posts: 12549 (08/19/2008 12:02 PM) |
I would want to give the ring back to the guy. If we aren't going to be married, I don't want anything of his, especially a symbol of love and
eternity.
If you are married for like 20 years and then get divorced, I think it's OK to keep the ring at that point. |
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sweetkisses4dl |
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Posts: 4008 (08/19/2008 12:03 PM) |
If it's an engagment then he should get the ring back because he paid for it. if it's an marriage then he get's my ring and i get his.
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searching for my soul |
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Posts: 400 (08/19/2008 12:03 PM) |
If they were brand new bought for me they go back to him
If they were an heirloom from his side they go back him If they were an heirloom from my side they stay with me |
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Posts: 36597 (08/19/2008 12:04 PM) Friendliest JJBer '07 |
Does it change if you have children together? Say you planned to pass your rings onto your daughter but then you get divorced. Should you keep the rings and
still pass them on or are they kind of tainted because the marriage didn't last?
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Too XTRM For The Letter E |
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Posts: 555 (08/19/2008 12:05 PM) |
It depends how it ends. If it's an engagement that ends, and if he bought the ring, and she breaks up with him, I think she should give it back. Why would
she want it, anyway?
If there's cheating, whoever was cheated on should get to decide if they want to keep any rings, give them back, sell them for money, etc. After a long marriage, I think it's fuzzier. |
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LilBabyWithTheSundressOn |
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Posts: 36599 (08/19/2008 12:08 PM) Friendliest JJBer '07 |
Too XTRM For The Letter E wrote: To sell it? Or maybe just to be a bitch.
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Rysi |
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Posts: 2208 (08/19/2008 12:11 PM) |
A lot of people now change the ring(s) to something else, of course that is if they keep it.
Usually it is who ended it, at least like searching said if it heirloom... Of course some times the guy says keep it even if he wasn't the one that ended it or they come up with some kind of deal of pawning it and giving the money to something. |
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Umac |
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Posts: 294 (08/19/2008 12:13 PM) |
I personally would give it back.
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Olivia725 |
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Posts: 1337 (08/19/2008 12:13 PM) |
Broken engagement he gets the ring back. He bought it and gave it to her as an agreement to get married. (unless it is from her family, the she gets it back)
I have been married for 18 years and if we split, I am keeping all the jewelery he gave me, including the engagement ring. Don't know if it is "proper" or not, don't care. |
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Posts: 816 (08/19/2008 12:13 PM) |
It really is an individual situation. I paid for my husband's wedding ring - but I wouldn't want it back. My engagement ring is made up from my
grandmothers wedding ring - so I'd definitely be keeping it even though HE paid for it to be designed. The wedding ring he can have it back - although I
know he wouldn't want it.
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Too XTRM For The Letter E |
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Posts: 556 (08/19/2008 12:16 PM) |
LilBabyWithTheSundressOn wrote: True. I guess I meant, why would she want to keep it for herself? It wouldn't be very sentimental.
I think if you choose to leave someone just because you choose to leave them, and not because of cheating, etc., it would be really bitchy to sell the ring
or refuse to return it. That why I said I think she SHOULD give it back. I can see how some people wouldn't do that though.
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MercuryAdore |
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Posts: 6997 (08/19/2008 12:18 PM) Current Events Scoop '07 |
I believe that legally it depends on how the engagement ring was given. If it was given as a gift (i.e the proposal happened on Valentine's Day, her
birthday, Christmas, etc.), then she keeps it. If it was not given as a "gift", then he gets it back.
As for wedding rings, I think most just tend to keep their own rings. I don't believe there is really a legal standard here (er, at least a well-known one). Personally, I would be keeping both my engagement ring and wedding ring as they belonged to my grandmother. I bought my husband's wedding ring, but I wouldn't ask for it back and I certainly wouldn't expect him to give it to me. |
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MercuryAdore |
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Posts: 6998 (08/19/2008 12:21 PM) Current Events Scoop '07 |
Engagement's off -- who gets the ring?
By Liane Yvkoff
(LifeWire) -- Celeste was engaged for 14 months -- two months longer than the jewelry store's return policy -- when she and her ex-fiance Chris agreed to end their engagement. She tried to return the ring to Chris, but he refused, saying it was a gift. Unable to return the ring to the jeweler, she set out to sell it. "I'm not attached to the ring anymore because I'm no longer attached to the idea of marrying Chris," says Celeste, who didn't want her or her former fiance's last names used. "And maybe it will have more meaning to someone else or benefit them more than me." Not all couples come to such a harmonious decision about who gets to keep the ring and what to do with it. In fact, tussling over engagement rings is common enough that most states have laws governing ownership. Custom and etiquette may also win out, depending on the couple. Law trumps etiquette Engagement rings fall under property, contract or family law, and how they are treated varies by state. In California, it depends on who broke the engagement. For example, if the person who received the ring is the one who is reneging on the engagement, then that person must relinquish the jewelry. In New York, North Carolina, Minnesota, Tennessee and other states, appellate courts say engagement rings are conditional gifts that must be returned to the gift giver if the condition -- namely, the marriage -- does not take place, regardless of who broke off the engagement. Kansas and Montana say a gift, once given, cannot be taken back. Oklahoma, where Celeste lives, has no cases on file governing engagement rings, so guidance would have to be drawn from nearby states, says Katherine Frye, family law specialist at Atkins & Markoff in Oklahoma City. Texas, she says, takes circumstances into account. Who gets the ring also depends on when it is given. Most courts have found that giving an engagement ring on a birthday or a holiday, such as Christmas or Valentine's Day, makes the ring a simple gift. But many people go with what feels right. Conventional wisdom has it that a woman should return the ring if she cancels the wedding, but keep it if her fiancé makes the break. Etiquette maven Emily Post says a ring always should be returned when the engagement is broken. "There's a really big difference between culture and the law," says Joanna Grossman, a professor at Hofstra University School of Law. "What people do is largely dictated by cultural traditions, and many aren't aware of what the law requires." Carrie Coolidge, a writer for "Forbes" magazine, thinks family heirlooms should be returned even if law doesn't dictate it. After ending her engagement weeks before the wedding in 1991, she handed back the engagement ring, which had belonged to her ex-fiance's grandmother. "I didn't feel like I owned it. It was given to me in honor of our wedding," she says. "No one should be selling someone else's family ring." A tough sell Neither Celeste nor her ex-fiance Chris had reservations about selling their ring, which wasn't a family heirloom. But she found that selling the ring meant taking a big loss financially. Wholesalers offered little more than 10 percent of the original purchase price, and craigslist produced a lot of spam but no serious buyers. EBay enabled her to set a minimum bid and, at the very least, net the same amount as wholesalers were willing to pay, maybe more. With the proceeds from her eBay auction, Celeste bought a Frigidaire fast-drying clothes dryer -- not as pretty, perhaps, but a bit more useful. As for the ex? "His only strong feeling was shock over how little I'm getting for the ring." Not everyone has the patience for an auction. Ben Shemano, a diamond broker for San Francisco Provident Loan Association, one of that city's oldest pawnshops, conducts a steady trade in engagement rings. He recalls one purchase where he had to issue two checks, 60 percent to the woman and 40 percent to the man, "although I don't know how they came up with that calculation," he says. "They used the money to place deposits on new apartments." Shemano has a few tips for those trying to sell an engagement ring: • Find out what similar diamonds are selling for. Learn about the four Cs (color, clarity, cut and carat) -- the factors that affect a diamond's price -- from the Gemological Institute of America. Then look on sites like BlueNile.com and dirtcheapdiamonds.com for an idea of your ceiling. • Consult the Rapaport Diamond Price List for the high wholesale price that diamond brokers pay. But that's not a fixed value. "Consider it an expectation," says Shemano. • Appraisals are for insurance purposes -- a diamond is worth only what the market will bear. • You will lose more money on the setting than the diamond, says Shemano, especially if it's a custom design. Elaborate settings may fetch a better price at auction than with a wholesaler, whose primary interest is the diamond. |
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MercuryAdore |
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Posts: 6999 (08/19/2008 12:23 PM) Current Events Scoop '07 |
MercuryAdore wrote: And this is why, when my brother was getting ready to propose to his now wife, I told him to NOT propose to her on Christmas as he was originally planning.
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KatieSLP |
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Posts: 478 (08/19/2008 12:24 PM) |
My opinion is that if it is is an engagement and the girl breaks it off then the ring goes back to the guy. If it is a marriage breaking up then they keep
their own rings. I know that if my husband left me there would be no way he would be taking my wedding ring with him
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insomniachollie |
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Posts: 35507 (08/19/2008 12:25 PM) Best Fan Fic Writer '08 |
It can vary from state to state, but in most places you usually find that engagement rings just get classed as gifts and thus the legal property of the bride.
Me personally - I'd keep the ring unless it was a family heirloom. |
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Posts: 948 (08/19/2008 12:26 PM) |
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