Does NF.com "Smrrks" have a current, up-to-date website?
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Does NF.com "Smrrks" have a current, up-to-date website? |
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Posts: 2137 (08/20/2008 6:54 AM) |
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FutureSexLoveSounds |
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Posts: 17470 (08/20/2008 7:45 AM)
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Not at the moment. She's not sure if she is goign to continue writing/beingin the fandom. I have offered to host her, though, if she decides to stay (which
a lotof us hope she does).
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Posts: 2141 (08/20/2008 2:54 PM) |
That effing sucks what Tia pulled. Talk about letting psuedo-and-very-imaginary power get to your head.  "... after this blatant disregard of my
authority ... "  Wooooooowwww! When has Nsync fan fiction EVER been that serious?! Maybe it's best that Tia's
leaving then. She's gotten to close to the "project".
Please tell Smrrks to keep writing. Don't let this fuckery deter her because then all those naysayers win and we all lose. NF.com isn't the end all. Fan fiction was around before it, when it was on an extended "hiatus" , and will continue to be around after it and all of it's moderators.
She should stick around for that.
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Posts: 14888 (08/20/2008 2:55 PM) |
Fuckery as in plagiarism? Dude it was blatant, theres no way she can deny she took scenes straight from the other story.
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insomniachollie |
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Posts: 35551 (08/20/2008 3:04 PM) Best Fan Fic Writer '08 |
Tia may not have gone about things the right way, but having read the comparisons I think it's pretty untenable to claim that the chapter didn't copy
from somebody else's work so she was going to have to do something. There were too many passages that were far too similar for it to be coincidence.
Maybe Smrkks didn't intentionally do it, maybe it was just something that she did subconsciously but... yeah. Intentionally or not, it's happened. I know she has been writing a long time and this one chapter is the only suggestion that she's ever copied from anybody, so I hope she does stick around with her previous stories and her original writing. Clearly the girl has some talent and it shouldn't be wasted over a stupid accident/mistake. The fandom drama... meh. People will move on pretty quickly. |
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Posts: 2142 (08/20/2008 3:08 PM) |
Regardless of if she did or not, the way Tia took action is the fuckery I'm talking about. Tia acted like those bosses we all have who either have a
Napoleon complex or lack any real control/authority in their daily lives, so they take it out on their staff. Gotta show someone who's boss, right?
That's the fuckery I'm referring to.
And isn't this all about it coming from a FictionLynn story anyway? Would anyone have really reacted so harshly if it had been from a less popular author? Lynn/Dina is like the messiah of Nsync fan fiction to some, even though to many more others, she fell off around 2002. I mean, everyone likes quality over quantity, but after 67 chapters can you really obtain both or did quality leave the building somewhere around chapter 39?
Whatever, I'm not trying to knock Lynn or what she stands for/means to some people cuz I could really care less. I just don't agree with how things were handled regarding this situation. So lame IMO. |
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Posts: 14889 (08/20/2008 3:13 PM) |
I don't think it was the fact it was a Lynn story (I've personally never read anything of hers), just the fact that plagiarism shouldn't be
tolerated no matter what the source. The bottom line is she stole someone else's stuff and claimed it as her own.
If Smrrks was given fair warning to fix the chapter and then ignored the email, who's fault is that? Not Tia's. |
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insomniachollie |
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Posts: 35553 (08/20/2008 3:20 PM) Best Fan Fic Writer '08 |
People would have reacted badly whichever story it came from, and have done before. We're all writers/fans of writers, we know what goes into creating
these stories... so people take it personally when plagiarism happens. I don't even like Lyn's stuff, but plagiarism = big no. I think the thing about
copying somebody as 'big' as Lyn is that people just don't understand why of all people you'd copy her. Her writing's so recognisable to
such a large number of the fandom there's zero chance of getting away with it, so it adds an incredulity factor to the whole mess.
Tia... I don't know the whole thing of what happened and why, so I'll reserve judgment apart from to say it's not how I'd do it. But hey, this is why I don't run a site like NF - I don't want to have to do that shit when this is the drama potential
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Posts: 17005 (08/20/2008 3:43 PM) Best FanFic Writer '07 |
Back in 2001, when most of us were like 15, FictionLyn was fabulous, yes. Now? We all know she was not the business, so it has little to do with FictionLyn.
Plagiarism is plagiarism, and it's sad to me that people are attacking Tia for handling it.
As for the fuckery, what should she have done? She didn't get a response from the author, so she took it public. I don't see what was so wrong about what she did. All she did was ask the girl to rewrite the chapter. I don't see how fair warning, not asking her to leave, or not even asking her to remove the story = fuckery. I still think both sides overreacted, but I guess it doesn't matter. Maybe Nik/Brittany will be less "abusive" with their "power." |
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Posts: 14891 (08/20/2008 3:48 PM) |
AshleyJ22 wrote:Exactly, as Tia said herself "abusing" her so called power would have been banning Smrrks on the spot without so much as a warning. I'm not quite sure how anyone can defend Smrrks when its obvious she was in the wrong. But thats just me. |
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Posts: 1601 (08/20/2008 4:41 PM) |
I have been pretty mum about this because I really think it is all very childish, but I have to agree with the people who say she handled it wrong. I do see a LOT of what everyone is saying on both sides, but I think she should have just taken the chapter down and sent her an e-mail stating so. Not publicly ostracizing her in front of everyone. That's just wrong.
Stacey/Smrrks was out of the country and had limited access to the internet. Now before I get told again, yes, I understand that she responded to comments but not an e-mail from Tia. Put yourself in her shoes, if you had five minutes of time on the internet and you were with your family (therefore you weren't expecting any e-mails of importance), would you have logged into your e-mail account and looked to see if someone responded to your story or would you go to the story and look to see if there were comments? Eliminating a whole step and minutes of your limited time.
I, for one, would have gone straight to my story and then looked to see. I would have skipped the e-mail altogether. Why waste time that doesn't need to be wasted. She didn't know she was going to be getting an e-mail from Tia…
I think we just need to cut them both some slack, they both made mistakes, they are both human. I don't understand why we have to cut people down for it. People do bad things everyday, but it's just fanfiction. Life will go on with or without them in the fandom, we don't need to bring them down because of their decisions. Right? |
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Posts: 17528 (08/20/2008 6:56 PM)
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She barely gave the author time to respond. Like I said somewhere else, not everyone is on the computer every day or checking their email. So to
assume that someone would reply the second they got the email is ridiculous. She should have given her a decent amount of time to respond. I've sent emails
to people who have taken two weeks or more to reply because people have lives (that's not a dig, that's saying some people are really busy and
don't always have time).
Now, I like Tia as well but the whole situation was handled wrong. What good did it do to basically put Smrkks on the chopping block in front of everyone? Warning her, removing her chapter, etc would have done just fine. Putting her out there like that was not the way to go about things. At all. I just don't think it was handled well whatsoever. |
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AshleyJ22 |
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Posts: 17018 (08/20/2008 7:46 PM) Best FanFic Writer '07 |
Seriously, if I saw someone was online and hadn't responded to my email, I would've been pissed. I try to give people the benefit of the doubt (hell, I
don't really even care that smrkks plagiarized a chapter, because everyone makes mistakes and deserves forgiveness), but if any of you guys thought you
were being ignored, you wouldn't react similarly? And from what I read, I think smrkks denied the whole thing and said she didn't get an email. WTF.
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Posts: 14900 (08/20/2008 7:59 PM) |
Yeah she denied plagiarizing the story (even though anyone with eyes can see she did) and denied ever getting an email. Sorry but if you were online long
enough to reply to reviews you could check your email.
Frankly if I were out of the country visiting family, NF.com would be LAST on my to-do list, so that whole argument is kind of lame. |
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Posts: 17530 (08/20/2008 8:00 PM)
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I have been treated the same way and I still didn't make the situation so public. Hell, just look at the situation we just had you know where.
Maybe she didn't get an email. I think everyone can chime in with the fact that sometimes emails sent to them don't actually arrive. Hell, I sent myself an email this morning and it still hasn't arrived yet. Thankfully I have sent messages saved so that information I needed is in my sent folder. I don't know why everyone is so quick to believe everything that Tia says, but is ready to burn smrrks at the stake for what she says. What's lame is people thinking that just because someone is out of town/the country means they can't hop on the computer for a little bit or even access places from their phone. It's also lame to think just because a person went to one place, they had to go to another. |
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Posts: 17020 (08/20/2008 8:03 PM) Best FanFic Writer '07 |
So, is the evidence fake or something? Because unless it is, I have no reason not to believe Tia, whereas smrkks is denying shit that's right in front of
us.
And this seems exactly like the situation we had, where all the shit is right there in our faces and the accused person is all in denial!
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Posts: 14901 (08/20/2008 8:04 PM) |
I think people aren't believing smrrks because she DENIED stealing anything from the other story, when as I said anyone who can read can see that she did.
Who's going to believe her when she can't even admit when she did something wrong?
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Posts: 17531 (08/20/2008 8:09 PM)
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What evidence? I don't recall seeing evidence of her not getting an email/getting an email. Just because an email was sent, doesn't mean it reached
it's destination. The 'evidence' of plagarism didn't prove anything to me. I read most of it and it didn't click anything with me.
It was similar, but it definitely wasn't what everyone was saying it was. I've written the same story line a dozen times and I haven't ever read
FictionLyn or stuff from smrrks.
And you know what I mean, Ash. I said we didn't blast the person in a big area like Tia did with smrrks. We did it between about five/ten people who were actually involved in the situation. We didn't go around making a big to-do about it. Anyway. This whole thing is just everyone going in circles.
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Posts: 17021 (08/20/2008 8:16 PM) Best FanFic Writer '07 |
I just don't understand how people don't get what she did was plagiarism, but I digress.
As I said before, there was an overreaction from both sides, and it sucks that it's come to both of them leaving, but I disagree about all this abuse of power mess. She was protecting someone else's work and the readers that get involved in these stories, and it's stupid that she got shitted on for it when the other person was wrong. |
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Posts: 14902 (08/20/2008 8:20 PM) |
I'm not sure how anyone can deny she stole ideas after reading this (taken from a comment on the main page of NF.com)
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Jan Levinson |
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Posts: 4 (08/20/2008 8:32 PM) |
There is also the issue of exactly which parts of the story I have been accused of plagiarizing. Because if I copied IOM, then I also copied a million different books and movies. And if that's so, I extend my deepest apologies to every author and every screenwriter and every playwright that has ever written anything like it. I would also like to apologize to anybody that might have actually been kidnapped and escaped at some point in their lives, because maybe I copied the idea for my story from your true story in the newspaper. Again, my sincerest apologies. Bitch please. She bit off of someone else's work, she got caught and she needs to man up and take responsibility. God, I hate LIARS. |
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